Or Legendary Pakistani screen idol ‘Nadeem”

Imran Khan perhaps….

Ultimately the fate of Pakistan rests on the shoulders of Pakistanis, morover the the answer for Muslims lies with Muslims. Others exploit us simply because they can, thats what I say.

Having said that, we have to admit that there are interest groups that formulate ideals scenarios that facilitate their goals. To talk about external forces doesn’t mean (and I said this in a nearlier post) that we are blameless and it also doesnt mean that we are conspiracy theorists. To bring ourselves up we need to identify all the factors that contribute to us being down. Once we do this we can formaulte strategies to address all of them including our infamous “Pakistan may sab chalta hai. “ attitude.

We need leadership. We all had hopes for Musharraf and we can understand (even if we disagree) with some of his decisions. I read his autobiography and therefore know what he thinks of Shariff and Bhutto. Why is Musharraf doing all the things that he accussed them of doing and how in hell have Shariff and Bhutto (Crooks down to the bone) returned with motorcades and fireworks?

In America Musharraf is being shown as doomed and Benazir as Pakistan’s saviour. WHAT A JOKE

The poor Pakistani doesnt deserve them even though he smokes under the no smoking sign and can’t line up and wait his turn.

So anyone have any ideas?

I will start with one which is something we can implement on an individual level- For all the Pakistanis living outside of Pakistan. We are lucky to have had exposure to people of other nations who have tremendous civic sense and respect- which the average pakistani sincerely lacks- like not littering, standing in lines for our turn, not lighting up in a no-smoking zone.

How about the next time we are in our own country, we try lead by example and practice the same thing … instead of standing at Jinnah Terminal under the No Smoking sign with our ciggies lit up and saying – “Pakistan may sab chalta hai. “

India is not a model example for Pakistan. The best it can get from India is India’s attitude to certain things. India’s economy may appear good but it far from that and it still has 1000 Million plus people to try and feed. The Islamic world has never needed the west or its institutions to survive or prosper. Some of us only think that thats where our success lies. Since India deregulated its economy thousands of farmers have committed suicide because of crippling debt and other issues.

India is far from understanding secreterian violence and religious violence doesn’t pay. Man they were the major backers of the Northern Alliance and what about their record in Gujrat. Go to Youtube and watch the videos of Hindus proudly talking about killing Muslim women and children and read this (the orders came from the top to kill as many Muslims as possible in three days, the Police were even in on it) http://www.khanfactor.com/blog/?p=383

If the definition of a successful Muslim country is one that adopts western values and customs and institutions as the norm then you can keep that type of country, in fact why are we even Muslim? Lets forget that as well.

Re India – bro credit where its due, as a nation they have realised that sectarian and religious diffrences wont help anyone. This dog example, let me tell you that in Sindh young girls are married to the Quran so that the wealth of the family stays in that family. Lack of education is rampant in our country too..

I think we both agree that existing leaders and generals are a waste of time, musical chairs wont help the country. I also agree with you when you say that people judge islam by the mullahs and not of their own knowledge..

Doesn’t it bother you that external forces with varying interests are behind the various problems being faced by Pakistan. Not that they are completely to blame, I’m not saying it all someonelses fault but I’m saying that there are people and groups with interests that know how to push the buttons according to what suits them. E.g. Baluchistan etc.

Try viewing Pakistan and for the most part the Mid East as places where each differing voice is backed by an external party e.g. Benazir backed by the U.S etc… Nawaz was first turned away at the airport because he didn’t have the right external backers., so the yanks spoke to the Saudis and the Saudis spoke to Musharraf. Its no secret that Imran Khan’s leanings are more towards the British.

India is not as good as it seems. I agree its attitude to education is something we can learn from but Pakistan’s GDP has been growing faster than even India’s in the past two years. All these goras complain about security in Pakistan but you and I know well that it doesn’t stop them from a) going to Pakistan and b) maximising the blood they suck out of Pakistan.

Bro in 2002 the Aust. Government was warning all Australians not to go to Pak because of the Afghan war, they said it was unsafe and they hated westerners there. Well I went to Pakistan only to find DKNY, Dunkun fu%cken doughnits and every other American business opened all over Lahore. So while telling everyone how unsafe it was they went and grabbed all the market opportunities. My point is that they all complain about the place but none of them f^cken leave it alone either…

India aint as good as they make out. It has a population crisis and people are still marrying dogs http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-tales/33yearolds-bride-really-is-a-bitch/2007/11/14/1194766712710.html

India is the way it is because it does what its told. They sell their culture and identity in return for anything. And don’t forget they are anti-Islam like the Americans, Israelis and Europe so of course they being rewarded.

The issue is leadership. Musharraf compromised his integrity and is paying. Its doesn’t bother me that the Mullahs are doing what they are doing. What does bother me is that Muslims don’t know their Islam well enough to know whether the Mullahs are good or bad. Judge them against one’s own knowledge of Islam. What also bothers me is that people judge Islam by these Mullahs. I have a reasonable experience in media and have seen it in writing that there are forces at work whose sole aim is to ensure that any negative story re-: Islam is published.

musharraf is doing everything that he blamed the others of doing.. so whats the diffrence now. I think the best bet now is imran khan but he doesnt seem to be gathering the support, which just shows that our ppl are not ready to decide for themselves.. it baffles me to think that the crooks who stole from the ppl are now the front runners again.

u know its hard to swallow, but I was at a conference few weeks back for natural resources [coal gas etc] where a british presenter made a very honest comment. a regular visitor to india he was praising all the progress they are going through, compared it to Pak he said that whenever he goes to Khi he feels very insecure, as compared to India he feels very safe.. he was praising the indian education as well saying they have so many MBA’s and masters etc etc. for Pak he said the schools have been taken over my clerics and all the institutes by the army… hard to admit but there is a lot of truth in this